Any replies to this would be much appreciated.
Corey
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Can someone please answer me this. Is the film/novel based on a true story? I believed it was, at first, but I recently discovered an article about how people had been searching for records of the incident and found nothing(?)
Any replies to this would be much appreciated. Corey |
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silverstar |
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I doubt there's anyone who can answer your question with absolute certainty. It's the movie's greatest mystery. But does it really matter that much?
S*I*L*V*E*R*S*T*A*R
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Sarah Elaine Marie |
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It's not a true story. Despite the challenge on web pages (made in response to various people angrily saying I didn't know what I was talking about) no one has ever been able to provide any evidence at all that the story is true. No police reports, newspaper accounts, etc, and this includes someone who is in Australia and had a chance to review the newspaper records.
The thing is, this all shows just how good a movie this is in order to generate such continuing interest and controversy. |
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On the dust jacket of the book that I have recently purchased, the author claims to have found some very enigmatic police reports that someone had apparently attempted to keep under wraps as the files were found in a drawer that had been kept locked for a long long time. The author purports that even the officers who were in charge at the time the papers were found knew nothing of their existence. It seems a letter to the author-who at one time was a reporter-led him to the files. I do not know how much truth there is to all of this-just that it is written on the dust jacket. The author claims that he encountered quite a few people who did not want him to write the book or bring the story out into the open again. He claims the story is true.
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geoffreee |
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Hello again, from Geoffrey in Melbourne.
I think you'll find that the story is definitely not true, although I wish it was! Having lived in the area of the rock all my life, it was well known that when Joan Lindsay wrote the book, she deliberately was very mysterious in how she spoke about the book when it was published, (she was that sort of person!) Ever since the book was published, right up to the time the film was produced and after that, it was always a bit of a game amongst locals to continue to talk mysteriously about the story as if it might be true! One local academic even produced a whole fake thesis that appeared to support the truth of the story! Every now and again, someone will start to research times and places mentioned in the novel, but it always comes up that the whole story is a fabrication. (If you have researched any of Joan Lindsay's other books, you will know that this presentation of truth and fabrication, and a deliberate blending of the two, is very much a theme of her books, and even of her personal life!) But as some of you have already said, who cares? it still is a fabulous story! Geoffrey, Woodend. |
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mystery |
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I still like to think that an event took place which inspired the story.
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UKTara |
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Sad to say, it's most definitely not true.
I say that because I remember reading in an article about whether or not it was true, that stated that there wasn't even a college in Appleyard in 1900 and that one wasn't built until 1912, and I suppose, without a college, there can be no mystery. But I agree with Mystery (last post). We can still 'believe'. Still speculate and ponder. Our hearts can still retain the wonder of it all. ...And whose to say that there haven't been other mysterious disappearences on the rock? Ones that have gone unrecorded... |
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lxtn |
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True or not (and I don't believe it to be a true story) St Valentines Day in 1900 fell on a Wednesday not a Saturday.
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mystery |
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in that case if it fell on a Wednesday then it must not have been true.
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Mists of Time |
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I think it's safe to say that no disappearance of school girls ever took place at Hanging Rock. The records (or lack of, rather) prove it unlikely.
Joan Lindsay said that the story came to her while she slept in the form of dreams- a series of which continued each night over a period of two weeks. When she would awake each morning, she would quickly rush and put down everything she remembered on paper like a madwoman, lest she forget anything. Now, while it is not unusual or even unheard of to have writers basing their work on dreams, what is unusual is that the same dream (or a continuation thereof) occurred over two weeks. Joan felt as if her mind (or spirit) had entered some sort of other dimension, where she was a witness to this. Her in her mind, Miranda and the others were real people, whose existence was in another plane of dimension, similar to our planet, but also different. That is why she first stated that the story was a fact, and was all "mysterious" about it. She believed it was real, but did not want to explain to people why she believed what she did, at least not without sounding like a loony. I suppose if one believes that our dreams are actual occurrences that happen in another realm on a psychic plane, then the story of Hanging Rock is just as real to you as it was to Joan Lindsay.
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Another oddity in the book (at least it seems so to me) is the author's inclusion of the following footnote after the list of characters:- "And many others who do not appear in this book." The point is that unless it's based on true events there wouldn't be any "others" would there.
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Hy. My name is Sandra and i life in Germany. Im a very big Fan from The movie "PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK" and i have all from this movie: Soundtrack - Pictures - Pressbooks and more.
My German "PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK" Page: www.picnicathangingrock.de.vu Please, sign my Picnic Forum, i have created for Picnic Fans. |
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LE123 |
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Hi there!
Great to find this forum! I absolutley LOVED this movie! While I only have the VHS tape, it's in widescreen, thankfully. No one can see a Peter Weir film pan and scan. As a writer, I can say, most of your stories come from your own imagination, your dreams, and occassionaly, something you may have remembered from years ago---maybe even a personal experience! I have a feel Ms Lindsay, a true writer, experienced an interesting moment in her life, read something, had a strong feeling and viola, this story was born! And what a wonderful story it is. Does ANYONE here have the books Picnic at Hanging Rock AND The Secret of Hanging Rock?? I live in Canada, and finding these books are almost impossible! Please email me at horsecoach4hire@hotmail.com if you have them. |
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I think that Joan Lindsay didn`t lay too much concern on the truth of the story. Instead she wanted to show the readers the effects that follows such accidents. I mean the life of nearly every included person changed dramatically after these events. Of course, Mrs. Lindsay gave us a few evidences to think about the mystery itself (watch stops, violation of the girls etc.) but in her novel she layed more importance to the acting persons and her destiny afterward the vanishing of Miranda & Co.
I also think that the reason why Miranda knew that something will happen to her is more interesting than how she vanished. By the way, first I was a little disappointed about the famous last chapter 18. But in the meantime I get used to it. I accepted it like one possible and inventive solution. Mike |
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Like Peter Weir himself, I too think that some of it is autobiographical and that she (Joan Lindsay) has merged her personal experiences with other events that have actually happened (facts) and with things she has made up (fiction).
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mike72 |
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All in all I think it was a good move by Joan Lindsay and her publisher to remove the final chapter from the original book. Without this action I think the story wouldn`t become thus popular.
You have to give your audience something to think about in various pattern (characters and their lifes, nature & her mystery and an open end). And that`s what PAHR is all about. I mean it`s perfect and damned captivating. I also believe that Mrs. Lindsay is still smiling at her grave about the effect her story has. On one hand it`s a story about the disappearance of people (there where a lot of tales like that and so it could be boring) and on the other hand it`s the novel, the place and the movie which made the simple story to a great experience for all senses. Based on the facts (no evidences in the newspapers fromthat time) I don`t believe that this particular story happened, but anyone was anywhere involved in such action. Mike |
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While Joan Lindsay herself was always notoriously vague and ambiguous whenever she was pressed upon the matter, I find it highly likely that she, in fact, did experience something deeply disturbing in her youth, and that this particular event came to form the basis of her famous 1967 novel "Picnic at Hanging Rock",
Joan Lindsay (1896-1984), née Weigal, was born into an artistic upper-middle class family and attended Clyde Girls School at East Saint Kilda, near Melbourne. This private girls school existed here between 1910 and 1919, before moving to the small country town of Woodend, Victoria, just a few miles away from the (in)famous Hanging Rock itself. It is certainly not inconceivable that Joan Lindsay while a pupil at Clyde Girls School in Melbourne might have taken part in a school outing to Hanging Rock, which is only ca 70 km from Melbourne, a distance that even in the early 1910´s was within reach of a one-day summer excursion. Something very unsettling might well have occurred, which then came to form the basis for the plot in Lady Lindsay´s novel. That she sets the events in her novel in February 1900 might merely be a kind of "red herring" in order to confuse and also part of the artistic licence of all authors. We must also remember that the 14th February was the date of Lady Lindsay´s 1922 marriage to the artist and art-historian Sir Daryl Lindsay and thus a symbolically important date in her life. Let us imagine that one or several girls from a school party might, in fact, have disappeared without trace while exploring Hanging Rock at some point between ca 1910 and ca 1915. i.e. some 10-15 years later than indicated in Joan Lindsay´s novel. Such an event might have been successfully hushed up by the authorities for a number of reasons. There may or may not be some references to such a possible incident mentioned in the Woodend local newspaper(s) at the time. However, judging from the rather vague information available on the Internet no really concerted effort seems to have been made to trace any such newspaper reports during the time period of ca 1910-ca 1915. My impression is, rather, that any searches that have been made of newspaper records have almost entirely concentraded on the period between ca 1895-ca 1905. We must also take into account that according to some sources on the Internet the local Woodend police station and all its records were apparently destroyed by a fire at some point early last century. I have not as yet been able to verify the exact date or year of the fire, but it is quite possible that any police records as such would have been destroyed then. My conclusion is that it would be impossible to rule out that Joan Lindsay herself could well have experienced something on the line of the events described in her novel, but at a much later date than indicated in the book and in slightly different circumstances. It would therefore be both foolish and unfounded to suggest that the events described in Lady Lindsay´s novel are purely fictional, just as it would be equally impossible to state the opposite. For the time being we simply cannot know for sure. There is, however, some anecdotal evidence to suggest that Joan Lindsay had indeed known a real "Miranda" in her youth. The actress Anne Lambert who played Miranda in Peter Weir´s magnificent movie has publicly recalled a strange and unsettling meeting with Lady Lindsay while filming on Hanging Rock itself in 1974. At that meeting Joan Lindsay apparently addressed Anne Lambert as "Miss Miranda" and behaved as if she indeed were seeing a long-lost and much loved friend of her youth rather than an actress playing an entirely fictional role. It doesn´t take a qualified psychologist to work out the possible implications. Peter Weir himself is also quoted in an interview to have stated that he and Lady Lindsay at one point were having a private conversation about the efforts a lot of people were making to trace any real-life disappearances at Hanging Rock. Weir seems to have indicated the futility of any such exercises, to which Joan Lindsay is said to have responded: Well, you know something did actually happen there.... Wouldn´t it be an exciting challenge for the historians of Australia, amateur as well as professional, to make a concerted effort to unearth whatever the various historical archives might (or might not) have to tell us. Whatever the outcome of such an exercise the mesmeringly fascinating novel of Joan Lindsay and the equally enthralling film of Peter Weir will always remain absolutely unique and almost other-worldly treasures in an increasingly materialistic and humdrum world. |
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I would highly recommend you all to check the interesting Message Board pertaining to the Picnic at Hanging Rock film and novel on the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) web site.
There is a fascinating and by all means very authentic-sounding posting to be found there (posting date 10th October, 2007) by a person of apparent Australian background who vehemently claims that the basis for Joan Lindsay´s novel is indeed based on a true incident, which was widely suppressed by the authorities at the time. This person also very strongly asserts that Lady Lindsay´s 1967 novel was written as a homage to the memory of the real Miranda and her friends. |
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i suppose no one will ever really know the truth on this.i feel the author was writing about the emotions and feelings she had as a young girl growing up
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